Shulie TornelNick Sayer I didn't make a hackaday project for it, but the firmware is on github: https://github.com/nsayer/SPI_Nixie
Has it been considered making a running counter for entered project stats (views, likes, follows etc)
It's like the MAX6951, but for Nixies. It's made of an ATMega328p.
I insist that repeating the seed money "experiment" was a big mistake because it favors quantity over quality
@Michele Perla just ask
so
As the list on the hackaday prize page was interesting, but now that seed funding has ended, isn't updated
@davedarko maybe they can change the "seed funding" to "Darko" funding for next years prize
My project is going to be composed of a lot of modules and submodules
@Peter McCloud ha, good one :)
@Nick Sayer I'm going to use a FPGA and many MOSFETs as the driver
How should I treat it? Should I make a project page for each module?
FTR : I've been taking daily snapshots of the leaderboard. You know, for science.
@Frank Buss You go! I've not yet started with FPGAs. It's on the list.
@Michele Perla you can do it however it feels best but make sure to link to all the modules if you're going to make separate projects
@Michele Perla for next funding round, yes - otherwise, until you actually use it with other components
TheThriftstoreHacker You should not care about winning a prize. Do it for the fun and importantly the science :)
and I think it will be easier to follow if you keep them all as one project
Yeah I think the same @Sophi Kravitz
davedarko good point from @TegwynTwmffat @Michele Perla
Yes, I agree ^ @Sophi Kravitz @Michele Perla I think it will be more impactful and will make more sense for the judges to score
@TheThriftstoreHacker *thumbs up*
Michele Perla I remember something similar happened last year or two years ago. Maybe that was the same thing @davedarko was referring to some minutes ago
Did this get answered yet? Do you expect the documentation to be formal PDF documents, or are the project details and logs sufficient?
@Frank Buss I meant "You go" in the nice way... just to be clear.
@TheThriftstoreHacker for science!!!!
jup
@Sophi Kravitz nope not yet ;) or maybe I missed it
hi Rene
oh no, that was something else
Hello all :)
https://hackaday.io/project/20522-a-safer-hho-gas-carburetor-for-small-engines <-- probably not world changing but a great project i have been playing with.
we're at Martin Essers chinese knockoff
So if you have datasheets, pdfs are good
you've skipped two questions
If you have schematics, pdfs and/ or the schematic/ board file are good too
if a project would start a kickstarter or stuff like that and get funded before the end of the prize, how would the judges react to that?
we can go back :)
Question: And concerning the seedbucks, what about the discrepancies between the official rules of the contest, and how it is presented/advertised, and actual measurements on the leaderboard?
Do we get extra points for quality MSPaint drawings?
the more logs (less PDF openings) there are, the better is my opinion to the pdf question
I do a lot of "thinking" in MSpaint
@Michele Perla I wouldn't think it mattered how you funded your project, It comes down to how good the project is.
about the documentation: I suppose that as long as the documentation provided fullfills to explain whatever it needs, a paint drawing would be nice
or a plain .txt file
@TheThriftstoreHacker pixel art should be given bonus points!
on a human note: they'll probably think "oh he's fine already, I take the other project I like as much"
of course PDFs renderings schematics etc. that's also better
<perk> artwork? ;-)
jup, PDFs or at least high resolution pngs for schematics
Maybe i should compile all of my drawings, logs, and info into a PDF and pin it to my project?
has anyone put in any licenses yet? kind of hard to think of one and list everything, while your still in MSPaint mode
heh I also have some doubts about it for my projects
LaTeX will result in geek bonus points :-)
on one module I have a CPLD and I was thinking of only releasing a binary file to burn on it
not the source, because trade secret and stuff
binary blobs : :-(
I think not open source gives you minus points
happens to the best... rPIs still have blobs, right?
Well I would really like to make a living out of this in the future
you know? If you know how to do something good, never do it for free
@davedarko I think the GPU part is now open sourced for the RPi, at least all registers etc.
if it involves burning a cpld, maybe that's protection enough :D
@Michele Perla Arduino do quite well for themselves when they ain't bitching at each other with open hardware & software
@davedarko i used one of the creative commons ones as they're the only ones for hardware i've really heard of, although i bet there are lots
dave: right :-D
I found an MIT one for hardware and software, put it in a license.txt file and uploaded it
ah cool
Do you guys feel like you understand what documentation is needed?
@davedarko I also thought about protection on the CPLD, that's a good point
so if any chinese knockoffs will arise, I expect a good price, but nothing more
but I was also thinking of keeping a door open for updates
If you have a license, please link to it
@Michele Perla Look at github license selection if you want to protect things.
Your system diagram can be on MS Paint
@Michele Perla - that was more meant like: not everyone will be able to burn a cpld from start
or OpenSCAD or Fusion or whatever
schematic/ board can be pdf but prefer the actual file so it's open
so maybe that's protection enough - and anyone who might attempt, could be a helping hand in the future
someone had a good point earlier about using Kicad or Eagle or whatever- post a pdf along with your file
Yann Guidon / YGDES dave: right, that's why I still have gigs, source code is only one little cog...
can we move to next question @davedarko ?
yeah? OK!
yes
sure
whats the next?
When will results be posted for this round?
we usually post the results about a week after it closes
About a week after
next up is : https://hackaday.io/project/20772-orthrus feedback
cool
That's me! :D
I first overlooked that
awesome
but I like it very much
neat project idea.
It's very close to complete. I have a working prototype with just a few firmware issues left.
that could be the next hardware snapchat btw.
well not snapchat
if you are wondering about documentation, this project is a good example
This project is cool
Would it be easy to scale it out to 4, 8, 16 SD cards?
hardware snapchat? how do you get that?
;)
@TheThriftstoreHacker In principle, yes, but that makes the volume more fragile, unless you change the rules about how the crypto is done.
well you could share intimate stuff, but after a breakup nobody could expose you
Dual custody Digital padlock
@Jack Laidlaw That's it exactly. Two man control.
next idea : implement snatchat with minecraft...
hehe
The smallest SD card I could easily find new is like 8 GB, and that's way overkill for what you'd likely want to use Orthrus for.
wouldn't be surprised if that already existed, build with binary blocks @Yann Guidon / YGDES
I think this is the last question: Why does the website allow submitting "old" projects to the HaD prize when the rules say the project must be created after the contest's opening ?
Orthrus' achiles heel is that it's slow - I'm getting 200 KB/sec, and it's not likely to get much better, I fear.
^^ this was a bug and it is now fixed.
Frank Buss @Nick Sayer looks a bit complicated, why 2 SD cards? you would need only two parts of a key (e.g. in a small 1-wire device) and one SD card, like the multi signature concept known from Bitcoin
big bug
squashed now
Anyone able to give me a proof-read of my project? Prepping it for the may 1st entry.
awesome @Sophi Kravitz
@Frank Buss SD cards are actually easier to get ahold of.
true
You can get them at Walgreens.
Ok fair enough, I wondered @Sophi Kravitz
ah, the anonymous reveal!
@Nick Sayer I like the concept,I could see Orthus being good for ITAR data being transferred.
@Jeremy Gilbert post a link
and then I have to run
https://hackaday.io/project/20470-makernet
Yann Guidon / YGDESSophi: it seems that the hackaday.io site has plenty of bugs when it comes to the contest :-/
Did I miss that answer Sohpi?
thanks. just shot the video and rewrote the front page today. super frazzled. :)
@Peter McCloud That was one of the first things I thought of - people are worried about bringing data across borders nowadays.
all data is in the cloud nowadays
With Orthrus, you just have two people on different flights carry each card through.
then use a passphrase to generate a key
The humans are the weak link for passwords/passphrases. They can be coerced into giving them up with rubber hoses or waterboarding.
@Frank Buss While that's mostly true, sometimes it's difficult to get a secure network connection setup due to buecracy and an encrypted drive gets physically mailed.
ok, I didn't think of this :-)
that sd card project could be good for doing one time pad things too, like insert one sd card full of random data, and it encrypts the other sd card
Sophi-did I miss the answer to the question of not being allowed to submit a project made before the contest begins? too much broken traffic on other topics-did not see an answer....
@Jeremy Gilbert nice video
Going through customs with an SD card full of garbage... you could tell the customs folks exactly how the data is encrypted and they'd still be stymied without the other card.
hey everyone can we get some feedback on https://hackaday.io/project/20470-makernet
Just browsed through the rthrus project... very nice!
@Jeremy Gilbert so your project is like littleBits?
I think projects that have not ntered the prize before, and are old, can be entered in. Correct me if I'm wrong, Sophi
@castvee8 - it was a bug that allowed old projects to be posted and is now fixed, as @Sophi Kravitz says
@Nick Sayer with a two-part key it would be the same
what is an old project? one made a week before the contest started???
makernet... very nice. When I was a child, there was a similar thing, but it was with individual discrete components. This lets you build a lot more interesting stuff.
For example, if someone has been working on a project for two years, have never entered it into the prize before can submit it into the prize.
@Frank Buss A little bit, I guess. Its hard to get Littlebits to do really cool things. And they don't connect very well. I like them but I want something that can be used in sophisticated projects too.
But since the bug was solved AFTER the entries were submitted, these entries should still be allowed, right ?
@Shulie Tornel is correct, if it hasn;t been submitted before, it can be
Ok, so an old project means that it was already entered and cannot be re-entered.....if its ten years old and never entered then thats ok?
Yes
@Yann Guidon / YGDES no, the official rules state that you must make a new project
@Nick Sayer Me too. My fear is that the next generation of makers is going to be expecting things to be well abstracted and clean. Software is gettng that way all of the time. I want them to feel that complex hardware that does more than just turn on a light is within reach.
I did enter the prize without creating a new page. Misread the rules, thought that only applied to previous prize entries
Thank you..That was the clarification I was asking about.
makernet: nice, but that a lot of hardware for a buton.
You only need to make a new project page if you submitted an to Prize previous years, but did not make it to finalist.
"Existing projects, or projects that were entered in previous presentations of The Hackaday Prize but did not advance to at least the Semifinal round, are eligible for submission as entries in this Contest with the following restrictions:
A new project page must be created."
@Jeremy Gilbert I like your project, looks neatly done.
Sophi: this creates a very confusing situation
HaD way too slow... :-)
well the bug seems to be fixed and I could still post my first project from 2014 to the 2017 price, seems legit
There are a few products out there that aim to be pluggable modular electronics
"A new project page" - is that a log or a new project?
k on https://hackaday.io/project/20470-makernet
after that is done we can talk about other things
thanks :)
I give it a perfect 5/7
@Sophi Kravitz Yes, this is in a similiar vien to Little Bits (except that its more generalized), and Modulo (except that its portable) and probably a few other things.
@Jeremy Gilbert is this going to be entered into the Best Product round?
I love that video
I think the building block thing is a great concept. My one issue is that it is a litle bit of a developmental dead end. If you use it to make something cool, and want to make a "permanent" version of it (without the building block machinery), you have to start over.
tough one. big effort. but I prefer modules added to existing boards and modules more.
Its a concept right now. I'm trying to see I should keep developing it. So i'm submitting it to the concept round.
tough to start "another" platform
it depends on who you're making this for though, if it is for people to "just learn and get inspired" then it serves a purpose
If it is a prototyping platform, then less so
@Sophi Kravitz Agreed.
@Jeremy Gilbert good idea- thanks for sharing!
Thanks, Jeremy
@davedarko The mainboard is a clone of the Adafruit Feather. And i'm working on a Teensy compatable version. I'm not convinced yet if this is supposed to be a product or just an cool project.
Sophi Kravitz OK- now we can talk about the bug
thanks all for the feedback.
I see folks put things like Teensies into products and say, "Everytime someone puts an Arduino into a shipping product, an angel gnaws off her wings."
I thought it was a good idea! Phew how many modules will u make tho!!
I think Makernet would be a great learning tool, for school age kids, a bit like electronic lego's with a bit of coding.
If you have a project that ws submitted into one of the previous rounds, you must start a new project page even if the project is the same or similar. If your previous project was a semifinalist, then you must create a completely new project concept.
@Jack Laidlaw yes, thats my hope. good for learning. But i actually think many of my own projects could use it.
And if you were trapped by the bug, you have all weekend to quickly make a new project page :D
yes thanks jeremy. good luck ok, HaD 2 slow
it just makes the integration of things so much simpler since your brain can focus on the interface and the case, etc.
@Morning.Star thanks!
@Jeremy Gilbert Yeah there are other possibilities too but in my opinion I think the educational factor would begreat.
@Jack Laidlaw Thats good feedback. Maybe education should be the target then. That would work well for me since i have a school-age daughter But I do see a lot of people at my local hackspace who are frustrated they can't get past the breadboarding stage and I wonder if this helps them too.
And if you were trapped by thebug, you have all weekend to quickly make a new project page :D"
that's not fair to all the people that are trapped by the bug and are not on the channel.
That's ....
I have emailed everyone more than twice
so if you're not on the channel, you should have gotten an email
it's like "just read the rules and don't trust what teh website says"
there were 23 projects
@Jeremy Gilbert the clear mounting strategy idea is great!
Jack Laidlaw @Jeremy Gilbert I'm not telling you what to do you are right it would be great for hackerspaces too. People with limited hardware knowlegde sometimes struggle with a starting point.
so why can I add 3 y/o projects to the prize then? @Sophi Kravitz
was it a previous prize entry?
no, but since I would need to add a new project page?
My question was in a comment concerning projects put up before the contest began. Not about previous entries. Davedarko was trying to tell me but way too much crosstalk about a topic three questions prior.
if it was not a previous prize entry, you can enter it at any time
Yann Guidon / YGDES if the bug is solved then how come I still have many "old" projects listed as participating ?
projects may only be entered once
@Jack Laidlaw Thanks. Really appreciate the thoughts. :)
@Yann Guidon / YGDES // goes to look
And that has nothing to do with the "bug" being discussed?
Sophi I can send you the list
@Yann Guidon / YGDES all of your projects are entered in the 2017 prize, not the 2016 and 2017
@castvee8 what's your question exactly?
my fingers are getting very tired........I think it was asked and answered....I hope.
@Shulie Tornel and I are jumping off this chat !
Shulie Tornel Thanks everyone!
@Jeremy Gilbert No problem, Might be nice to include a simple circuit diagram with each module then you could really show how it works on a hardware level if you went down the educational road.
I think you're fine, castvee8
if you have anymore questions, please email prize@hackaday.com
thanks for interesting chat!
great stuff!
and of course, feel free to hang out and talk some more
;)
thanks :-)
Bye y'all!
bye !!
Thanks for the advise. @Sophi Kravitz sorry for crashing the meeting. I didn't realize there was another event on right now.
Thanks!
@castvee8 - if your project wasn't posted to 2016, 2015 or 2014, then you're fine
Back to the salt mines. Bye everyone
Yann-did you figure out what you wanted to know?were you affected by this bug thing?
Sophi: OK, I agree on this, what I am still unsure is : the entries MUST be created after the start of the contest
Thanks davedarko..
nopes
sure, castvee8
That was my question as well Yann
@Yann Guidon / YGDES -they only have to be not added to another round before
@Yann Guidon / YGDES the entries do NOT need to be created after the start of the contest
cast: i'm still unsure
the entries can be created at any time
haha me too
byeeee
thanks
f it wasn't in 2014,2015 or 2016, date of creation doesn't matter
Sophi : thank you ! at lasta clear answer !
thats the answer I was looking for davedarko..
'previous round' being a previous year of HaD Prize
If only I was allowed to enter my unborn child, I'm sure when it's born in september it's going to change the world.
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