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Hack Chat Transcript, Part 3
10/16/2019 at 20:30 • 0 comments![]()
I'm not looping at the moment because the only pump I can get right now is the 640G I've just been using it as a CGM. I think I'll give dexcom a try![]()
@Colin McCrory I'm gonna try doing an open loop with 640G![]()
@Colin McCrory not sure if you saw from earlier in the chat, but if you are up for carrying extra stuff, you could start with using 640 as a CGM uploader and wear a loopable pump to start looping, while you explore getting another CGM.![]()
@Dana Lewis I have back ups for my back ups.![]()
(requires internet connectivity though)![]()
@Andrea R. :D sounds about right!![]()
Has there been any attemps to jailbreak / dump the firmware of the commerical devices ?![]()
@Dana Lewis , even you don't use omnipod, I think that it coud be a huge signal as a leader to test it..unfrotunatelly, this kind of experience is always problematic when it deals with your health and your current system is working well ;)![]()
@c4481080 That was what they had to do to crack the OmniPod.![]()
@F5OEO If you haven't already join the Android APS (toutes pompes) and Looped France groups on FB. They are becoming more and more active. And we had a Loop meet up in Paris last week. There will definitely be more!![]()
I think I'll have more luck getting a dexcom than I will getting a loopable pump. Buying a dexcom out of pocket in the UK is easy but as far as I know my local health authority only use the 640g and I cant buy a Dana r unless prescribed by them![]()
I'm not sure any extra signal is needed there, lots of folks using it these days.![]()
@Andrea Limbourg that's awesome to hear!![]()
Oh , I need to join it, thanks ...![]()
If folks are looking for general peer support stuff about T1D, we have a Discord server here (no dev work gets done here tho): https://discord.gg/diabetes![]()
@Dana Hopefully we can do a build party at some point, but this first meet up was super casual to get to know one another. Nice to be with other loopers though and be able to answer some questions for those who are curious!![]()
@Andrea Limbourg agreed!![]()
Just for my experience, I never meet such high skill people in openomni project...and the result is there !![]()
Thank you @Andrea Limbourg for what you are doing helping further bring together this community in France!![]()
@Kyle J. Rose I'm super happy to be involved. I have gained so much from this community and I feel like I can only give a little but I'll give what I can.![]()
I'm trying to do my own DIY hacking currently![]()
non APS related though, Smart Home...![]()
One last question, because no discussion is complete without mentioning machine learning anymore: anyone working on AI closed loop systems? Using Tensor flow to analyze CGM patterns, etc?![]()
Good question...![]()
Yeah, marius eriksen (@marius on twitter) has some stuff about working with that![]()
@Dan Maloney Hopefully I can start in the next year with it ... anybody else working on it?![]()
lots of people who are working on AI/ML...nothing coming to practical real-world use at large scale yet, though. Marius ^ is probably doing the most that I've seen to date.![]()
https://twitter.com/marius/status/1022193035956826112?lang=en
marius eriksen on Twitter
I chatted with @petewarden about how I use Tensorflow to implement model predictive control of glucose levels in my daughter's closed-loop insulin delivery system. (See also: https://t.co/Lo9zmPuKp3) https://t.co/nmtW8piu3U
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Cool, thanks!![]()
@Dana Lewis Thanks!![]()
Well folks, that's an hour, so we have to let Dana get back to work if she has to. Of course you're free to stick around as long as you like, Dana - up to you. I just want to say thanks to Dana for the chat, and for the inspiration to start getting into the APS community. This was a great chat and I learned a ton!![]()
Thanks everyone for hopping on, and to everyone who's involved in making living with diabetes so much easier!![]()
Thanks everyone for stopping by! Remember that next week we'll be talking about Open Hardware Month with Michael Weinberg from OSHWA:![]()
https://hackaday.io/event/168042-open-hardware-month-hack-chat
Open Hardware Month Hack Chat
Michael Weinberg from the Open Source Hardware Association joins us for the Hack Chat on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at noon PDT. Time zones got you down? Here's a handy time converter! It seems like everything and everyone has a special day set aside on the calendar.
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And a transcript will be forthcoming at https://hackaday.io/event/166942-hacking-diabetes-hack-chat/log/169991-hack-chat-transcript-part-1![]()
Thanks all!!![]()
(if anyone wants to chat further/has questions, I'm most active on Twitter, so feel free to say hi over there: @DanaMLewis )![]()
Thx for this quick chat, still learning...![]()
Thanks for the inspiration![]()
I'll try to get the Open Loop working this week![]()
Thanks to all contributors.![]()
Thanks for doing this!!![]()
And thanks for everybody who is doing and improving the APS eco-system![]()
Thank you! -
Hack Chat Transcript, Part 2
10/16/2019 at 20:29 • 0 comments![]()
hey @Kyle J. Rose! that's a good question. I think there are a couple of advocacy pushes that would be useful: to insurance companies to cover CGM (not to mention insulin) and eventually APS; for us individual advocates to the companies to make the APS coming out more transparent and understandable, etc.![]()
@c4481080 I'd like to build it as a wristband, but maybe in the future hahaha it has to work first!![]()
I recall seeing every now and then that apple tried to do that with the Apple Watch![]()
I also think encouraging individuals to continue to share their experiences (and data) with DIY and commercial APS is helpful, for educating our community and also showing what the companies need to do better to roll out commercial tech.![]()
hi yall, I figured I'd drop in. I'm a currently a college student in the process of getting a pump. @Dana Lewis I think the work you do is amazing.![]()
speaking of data donation - if you're using a DIYAPS of any kind, please consider donating data to the OpenAPS Data Commons (https://openaps.org/data-commons/) so it can be used for various research & development projects :)![]()
@Dana Lewis - Do you know of any commercial APS systems in the works? Wondering if anyone is really trying to close the loop on the low side with emergency glucagon infusion.![]()
@Hochkbry welcome! thanks for dropping in.![]()
I don't know much about the status of DIY loop mechanisms out there. Would you recommend people who are not very tech savvy to go down this road? My daughter has T1 (8 years old) and even as a developer for 10+ years I'm hesitant to do something like that with her right now. If it were me, I'd already be doing it.![]()
DiaTribe has a pretty comprehensive list of the commercial systems: https://diatribe.org/automated-insulin-delivery![]()
@Scott Leibrand Thinking more on the Policy advocacy and and community support sides. @Dana Lewis Okay, that's helpful. I often receive questions and direct people to existing online groups and documentation. But always wonder if there is more I could do or if there are specific community needs could help address.![]()
@Bill Staffeldt knowledge of your own diabetes is the most important. Many people with zero technical background successfully DIY loop with each of the systems.![]()
there are kids as young as 1yo who have had their parents build their DIY systems. obviously, depending on the age of the child and their current role in diabetes care, they may play a bigger or smaller role in the decision making process in deciding whether or not a DIYAPS makes sense for them![]()
@Bill Staffeldt Interesting. I would be the opposite. I waited to use a DIY system until I had access to a pump easily. If it was my kid, I would have bought an out of warranty Medtronic a couple of years ago.![]()
@Bill Staffeldt - Same here, my daughter's onset was when she was 8 five years ago. I haven't done much more than keep my head above water in that time, despite being a pretty fair hacker. It really boils down to not having the time because I need to stay employed so I can afford to keep her in insulin.![]()
There are a lot of resources to read more if you want to evaluate and figure out if it's right for you/your family. One resource: I wrote a book to be a general intro to DIY & commercial APS, it's available free online or as a PDF download (or you can buy a print/kindle copy) if you're interested in more: https://www.artificialpancreasbook.com/ (and links to each of the DIY systems in various places)![]()
@Kyle J. Rose one issue I've run into as a patient is fear that my endo would "fire" me for using Loop. I was really hesitant to share with her what I was doing and she was ultimately somewhat supportive (with the caveat that she can't recommend this or support me in using it). But I know it's a barrier for a lot of patients. In fact, it was probably my biggest concern going down this path - would I run into issues accessing prescriptions and general health care if I took this on.![]()
That's the thing. I'm worried I'll miss something. Also, she's on an omnipod dash, which doesn't seem to be understood too well yet.![]()
It's amazing to see how different the story of diabetes treatment is in different places in the world...![]()
@Andrea R. - And it's easy to say "well find another endocrinologist", but we know how hard that is, right?![]()
Thank you for that link Dana![]()
You're welcome!![]()
@Andrea R. @Kyle J. Rose there are some good efforts and collaborations starting among HCPs to change the dialogue there, thankfully.![]()
Yes ^ lots of us are talking to endos and educating/collaborating with them![]()
so it's not just us as the patients working in this space, which is great.![]()
@Dan Maloney yep! Even in a large metropolitan area (where I live) there's only a handful of endos who are experienced at handling T1D in adults. And it's not uncommon to encounter new patient waiting lists. I am lucky to have a wonderful endo but I know others have run into some serious issues. In all fairness, I do understand the liability perspective of doctors (or at least their perception of such).![]()
Here in Spain we have the same problem with endos…![]()
@Andrea R. I told my endo last week. I wasn't sure how to do it and as it spilled out of my mouth, her eyes got so big i could see the white all the way around. :)Then she said "well I'm not going to yell at you". And i said good - because this would be the last you'd see of me then.
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What would be the best recommended action to try for someone with 640G + CGM currently ?![]()
@c4481080 there are several people who use 640 as the CGM uploader, and then also wear a loopable pump. not sure if you'd want to go down that route, but it's an option.![]()
otherwise, you could use AndroidAPS as an open loop![]()
@Andrea R. - One of my daughter's early endos pushed back hard on me getting more than a 90 day supply of insulin. "Why would you need that? Just order more when you're almost out." Really? We fired her and found a better doc.![]()
@Andrea Limbourg ha! I had a very similar conversation wtih my endo a couple of months ago. It was tough because she's probably my favorite doctor that I've ever seen and I did not want to have to choose between her and Loop. But I had to tell her. She ultimately pointed out that she has no control over HOW what she prescribes will be used by patients and assured me that she was not going to stop seeing me. I felt very fortunate, but it was probably the scariest moment for me.![]()
ugh![]()
Do you think an open loop is a major step up from manual ?![]()
@c4481080 I found it to be so, yes![]()
manual as in nothing :)![]()
can I get loop to read the data from NS as for open loop ?![]()
I had an A1c drop of 1 just from open looping (and that was with a clunky web page interface before we realized it was really an open loop). Proactive alerts for treating/preventing lows and major highs is really helpful.![]()
if you mean loop as in iOS Loop? I'm not sure. Other types of DIYAPS (OpenAPS, AndroidAPS), yes.![]()
Open looping is easiest with AndroidAPS, which does read from Nightscout.![]()
One thing that it's very important (and many doctors don't know or maybe just ignore) is food. I found a very good endo where I live and with her help I reduced the amount of insuline a half!![]()
you could also take a look at Spike and see what it has in iOS for predictions (they've pulled in some of the OpenAPS predictions) and see if that helps, too![]()
@Dan Maloney I feel like a lot of doctors in general don't recognize the every-day frustrations that come with managing a chronic condition. They fail to see how writing a prescription that lasts longer or using a technology that removes the mental burden of management can be helpful.![]()
@Dana Lewis Thank you for going through all those clunky steps for the rest of us!!![]()
@Andrea Limbourg :) :) :) worth every clunk along the way!![]()
@Dana Lewis And they are better than the 640G internal alerts ?![]()
yes![]()
@Irene C. S. I think food is very person specific, there are companies today that can do you specific measures with CGM to tell you how your body handles different type of goods![]()
like Day 2![]()
@Andrea R. So true!! "They fail to see how writing a prescription that lasts longer or using a technology that removes the mental burden of management can be helpful."![]()
I'm looking forward to where we (as in the diabetes world in general) more regularly quantify different things (such as diet type, or different behaviors like choosing to bolus or announce meals or not) and the specific predicted impact on each individual, so an individual has the data & guidance to decide for themselves among their other priorities in life for what's the best thing for them to do right then.![]()
Is there any recommended Android version + maybe Mobile phone version to try NS with OpenAPS with Medatronic OTG ?![]()
@Andrea Limbourg Great response to your Endo! :) @Andrea R. , where do you live? In France, it's been a struggle with endos as well but we do see some signs of things changing as per Dana's comment. In fact someone just posted on the French FB group about "coming out about Loop" to their endo and the positive response they received. That being said, given that we as PWDs are often dependent on them for prescriptions/reimbursement, I completely understand your hesitation. I believe there is a shared responsibility to educate HCPs about what we are doing but is a very tricky one, particularly in geographies where there is a typically a one-directional conversation coming from the Dr.![]()
IMHO openaps (and derivative) is still far far away from industry proposal...![]()
Thank God we live only two hours from Canada. I can go get insulin up there anytime I want, no prescription and just $35 a vial. As opposed to $350 in the US before my insurance deductible kicks in.![]()
@F5OEO which direction are you describing? can you elaborate?![]()
In France there’s also the option of Diabeloop.![]()
So this is a sorta general question. i was diagnosed t1 less than a year ago and hopefully finished jumping through all the hoops for a while. This Friday I am talking with my endo/dietiation about pump options. I've done a bit of reading but what things do I need to know walking in and what should I expect in general?![]()
@Hochkbry what part of the world do you live in? and are you wanting a pump that you could potentially use with a DIYAPS, or are you still exploring all of your options (e.g. a commercial system)?![]()
@Kyle J. Rose I am in the U.S. in a large metropolitan area. No shortage of doctors, but definitely a shortage of good ones accepting patients. Thankfully, I think with Loop and DIYAPS the tide has been turning. I was shocked that when I told my endo about using Loop, she actually knew something about it from a recent conference she attended. That was impressive (and unexpected)![]()
Does anybody have here expreience with Day 2 or such companies in lowering gloucuse levels ? https://www.daytwo.com/en/![]()
Our Endo has never brought up loop, but the nurses in our hospital system have hinted at it.![]()
@Hochkbry see the link above for Dana’s APS book. Read that before your appointment, and maybe take it in for your endo. :-)![]()
there's a specific chapter for HCPs :) if they aren't interested/have time for the whole thing![]()
Well right now, in France , the "ultimate on the edge" commercial proposal is a "stop basal" depends on CGM.. Diabeloop is still in development and completely close source.![]()
@Scott Leibrand There WILL BE, one day the option of Diabeloop. They have asked for reimbursement and that could easily take 6 months to a year to go through - not to mention that not everyone will have access at first![]()
https://www.artificialpancreasbook.com/10.-hcps-and-aps
10. HCPs and APS
"Dear optimist, pessimist, and realist: While you were arguing about artificial pancreas technologies... we've been using it. For years. Sincerely, The do-it-yourself diabetes community" There are some great resources created in the diabetes community.
Read this on Artificialpancreasbook
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@Scott Leibrand - There'll be a transcript when the chat is over if you need to scan for links, resources, etc.![]()
@Hochkbry I would start here and read it thoroughly, as it will help you figure out which pumping option makes the most sense - https://www.diabettech.com/looping-a-guide/![]()
@Dana Lewis I'm pretty open to all options, i'm located in TX![]()
And thank you everyone I will for sure take some time to read up before my appointment![]()
If you join the Looped group on facebook, there's a pretty good list of loop-friendly endos that one of the admins compiled :D![]()
The general choices are: is there an existing commercial closed loop system that you want, or a basal-suspend system that prevents lows that you want, or do you want a pump that's just a pump, or a pump that you can DIYAPS. More reading on DIYAPS may help you decide if that's a direction you want to take. And the diatribe link may help for evaluating the timeline of different commercial options coming down the pike.![]()
Following as a 'basic user' AndroidAPS in open loop allow to reduce B1C from 11 to 6.5 in one week ...![]()
it's kind of a tough time - great stuff coming, but no timelines, so hard to make a decision now when you might get locked into a company for 4 years. :/![]()
Diabeloop, while closed source, does use some of our “equations” in their code, and have worked with us extensively. I’m optimistic they’ll be the best commercial system when they get reimbursement figured out. They are CE marked, but not sure if you can buy one out of pocket or not.![]()
@Scott Leibrand , give me the source , I don't want to trust in third party for my diabete![]()
Ok, then DIY is definitely the way to go for you. :-)![]()
@Scott Leibrand As far as i know, you cannot buy Diabeloop out of pocket. They aren't on any market yet even though they have had the CE mark for a year. But they got the CE mark with G5 and had to update it to G6 this year.![]()
What are peoples thoughts on accuracy of a libre+miaomiao+xdrip vs dexcomG6+xdrip? I currently use a libre for free but would need to pay for dexcom G6.![]()
I wish there was a site with links to all the APS things, it seems to scatered![]()
@Dana Lewis this is why Omnipod is so appealing for me. It's in warranty, but with for many people moving from another pump, the PDM is free so you're not locked into any warranty. Plus you can Loop with an in-warranty pump which is nice. I prefer to use an in-warranty system just to avoid the hassle of getting supplies and having an operational pump. I like having my PDM to fall back on if Loop blows up on me.![]()
@c4481080 https://www.artificialpancreasbook.com/resources has lots of links in one place![]()
Thank you for your time everyone, I gotta dip for class. I'm gonna try to be more involved so hopefully I'll be speaking to some of you again.![]()
@Dana Lewis , you use PDM parallel to openomni ?![]()
@Hochkbry good luck this week at your appt!![]()
@F5OEO I'm not using Omnipod![]()
@irene.carrasco.shwartz : Did you tried a ketogenic diet? Since i do this (its expensive an needs time to spend on), I have almost no hypoglycemia anymore and my HbA1c has dropped by one point to 6.7 ... in 3 months and as a T1D![]()
@Colin McCrory the Libre is not a CGM. Using it as one presents some serious safety issues and has resulted in hospitalizations. The Dexcom is safer if you can afford it.![]()
hi all just joining the conversation![]()
@Andrea R. yea, I happened to be on the same manufacturer that I currently use now for DIYAPS, so thankfully it didn't require any change to pump supplies and I have a backup pump (not in warranty, but I have one). I'm definitely team emergency backups for all the things :)![]()
@Scott Leibrand, lot of frustration with Libre as a CGM![]()
Hack Chat Transcript, Part 1
10/16/2019 at 19:54 •
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It's so annoying that you can't use the new medatronic pumps with closed loop projects :(
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IKR? I've got an old Animas pump sitting around doing nothing that I'd love to put to work![]()
Hello![]()
Hi, welcome!![]()
hey @Casey Halverson!![]()
@c4481080 it is possible to use the 640G/670G as a CGM to upload to Nightscout and power a closed loop, but I agree it's a bummer that those aren't interoperable for insulin dosing.![]()
hi @Dana Lewis ! Great to join you guys! I saw this cross my email just now. Perfect timing!![]()
:)![]()
Dynamite![]()
I've tried using the android app, with the 640G but it did ntot work![]()
Medtronic did announce they'll be making an interoperable ACE (alternate controller enabled) pump for projects like Tidepool Loop once they get FDA approval as an iController, but who knows what the timing will be on that.![]()
@Scott Leibrand Do you have experience with that ? https://github.com/pazaan/600SeriesAndroidUploader/wiki did not work for me, and I couldnt figure out why![]()
No, I know it's possible, and that it requires a Contour NextLink meter connected via USB to an Android phone, but I've never tried it myself.![]()
Yeah, I connected it, but nothing happened (it was OTA)![]()
I'm waiting for approval of the 670G here at the end of the year![]()
there's a good gitter channel that might be worth joining to troubleshoot specifics: https://gitter.im/pazaan/decoding-contour-next-link![]()
There are some good support channels linked in the docs if you want to get assistance to make it work.![]()
^^ that :)![]()
Thanks, I'll take a look into that (altough we are more of an iOS family :) )![]()
us, too - although back in the day :) it was worth it to carry the extra Android phone as the original uploader to get CGM data into the cloud on the go!![]()
Might be nice to publish this chat mabe in those glitter as well![]()
OK, let's get started. I want to welcome Dana Lewis to the Hack Chat today. Dana built her own artificial pancreas, which is about as awesome as it gets. We're going to talk all about that and hacking diabetes in general.Welcome Dana! Can you start us off with a little about yourself?
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BTW "@c4481080 it is possible to use the 640G/670G as a CGM to upload to Nightscout and power a closed loop, but I agree it's a bummer that those aren't interoperable for insulin dosing." <-- power a closed loop, so you mean use 640G, and another pump ?![]()
Sure thing. Hi everyone! I’m Dana Lewis, one of the people who created the open-source ‘artificial pancreas’ system, or closed-loop system. I’ve had type 1 diabetes for 17 years as of Monday, and although I’m not a developer or programmer by day job, I’ve spent the last ~6 years or so working to gain access to data from various diabetes devices; putting it together in algorithms to help me make better decisions, or even automate away a lot of the work I have to do. Looking forward to the chat today! Note you’ll see other OpenAPS/DIY co-developers like @Scott Leibrand @Jon Cluck, etc joining today as well - plus awesome open-source hardware partners like @Casey Halverson as well.![]()
@c4481080 yes, you can use the 640G/670G as an oversized CGM receiver, and then another pump for actually dosing insulin. It probably makes more sense to instead use a Dexcom CGM if you can get one. AFAIK the only people looping with the 640G/670G as their CGM are doing so because that's all they can get funded by insurance.![]()
Sorry for asking, is this a free-chat or not ? or Q&A later ?![]()
There's a lot of great DIY projects in the diabetes community - everything from remote monitoring, to analytics/reporting, Autotune for adjusting pump setting, to open loop & closed loop software with a variety of hardware & software & phone options. If you have questions about any of those, ask away!![]()
Hello, what CGM did you try and what was your results with them ?![]()
@c4481080 - Fire away! It's pretty much AMA-style![]()
@Jean-Christian de Rivaz I've primarily used Dexcom G4 for the last 6 years. Most of our community has moved on to G5 and/or G6. I use a Libre for scuba diving/water stuff so I can get data underwater :).![]()
@Scott Leibrand yep, insurence it is :)![]()
Background reading - a little more about scuba diving with a Libre and the receiver in a waterproof bag: https://diyps.org/2018/07/30/scuba-diving-with-a-flash-glucose-monitor-libre (and https://diyps.org/2017/03/03/scuba-diving-snorkeling-and-swimming-with-diabetes-and-openaps/ for general scuba diving/snorkeling tips with diabetes devices)![]()
I am currently wearing the Libre 2![]()
Dexcom keeps trying to get us to switch to G6, but we stay with G4 - transmitters last more than a year, and we routinely get two or three weeks out of each sensor. MUCH cheaper this way.![]()
I heard maybe that the G7 will finally talk with apple watch or so ?![]()
And this is a little more about why I am still personally using G4 (multiple receivers connect to same transmitter, so I can hotswap and hotstart new sensor sessions): https://diyps.org/2018/04/05/hormones-cgm-preferences-diy-and-why-so-many-things-are-ydmv-even-when-wearenotwaiting/![]()
Hi, @mrb0t: me too; works great for me, but without looping right now ...![]()
By chance, Is anyone working on an open-source insulin pump with community-driven features? I’m a medical device developer and understand that this is not a trivial undertaking, but I’ve thought for a while it would be an interesting project. Could be FDA cleared, although not if people build it at home!![]()
@Dan Maloney yep. cost is a big issue globally for CGM access![]()
I'm wondering how a jailbreaking scene world would look in the insulin pump world :/![]()
@Alan Cohen there are a lot of really serious concerns with trying to build an open-source insulin pump, and to date no one has presented a credible plan for how it could be done safely.![]()
@Alan Cohen - I'd be highly skeptical that the FDA would ever go near open-source anything.![]()
@Franziska And with the encryption they added between the 10 and 14 day US sensors that will be a bit of a hack to get working again![]()
For those considering looping with a FlashGM instead of a CGM, keep in mind that adds an extra layer of risk for processing that data and converting it into use for looping. Make sure you have extra alarms set, reasonable safety settings, etc. with that and understand what to do if your system is giving bad CGM data.![]()
Open source would be fine with FDA as long as all of its regs are met.![]()
@Dan Maloney given that we have full blown RCTs happening :) using open source software for DIYAPS (using already approved pump and CGM), I don't think that's as far off as you would think.![]()
@Dana Lewis - I know, just sent $700 to Dexcom for a new transmitter and one sensor. Our insurance doesn't cover CGM, so it's all out of pocket.![]()
^ yes. But likely to be open source algorithm/apps, not hardware, getting approved![]()
Insulin pumps have to be built to incredibly tight tolerances, and more importantly, have to be engineered and tested to an extremely high level of safety reliability. If you can't guarantee that the pump won't dose more insulin than instructed, you risk hospitalization or death.![]()
@Dan Maloney ...ouch. I usually have to fight every year and appeal to get CGM covered, but this year (maybe because I broke my ankle?) they didn't deny it this year.![]()
Anyone have any thoughts on making an open source transmitter that connects to G4/G5/G6? Its not the most complicated thing. I always imagined most of the R&D went into making it last X amount of months.![]()
@Dan Maloney there are some efforts to replace batteries in transmitters, and to extend their useful life![]()
@Dana Lewis - Tough way to get coverage. But you took one for the team, I guess ;-)![]()
BTW, is there any way to export the chat transcript to some sane text format ?![]()
@Sean Hodgins I think most people are re-batterying old transmitters rather than DIYing those.![]()
@Dan Maloney haha. no kidding.![]()
@mrb0t. I understand the reasons why (for me it works excellent). But ... let's say I'm interested in the problem they left with this coding stuff :-)![]()
@Dan Maloney I am sticking with the G5 for now. It's easy to extend the life of the transmitters (easier than the G6 from what I've seen) and I've had no issues extending the life of my transmitters using the Spike app.![]()
@Sean Hodgins I haven't heard of any such efforts, outside of rebatterying (even with rechargable LiPos in some cases)![]()
@Jon Cluck - I know, I've had transmitters apart destructively before, looking at ways to gently lap off the plastic to expose the batteries![]()
@Dana Lewis Here, if you are trying to get pregenent, you can get CGM via basic country health insurence![]()
for unlimited time![]()
Happy to say "hello" to Dana, as I contribute in OpenOmni. Just begin to open loop with FreeStyle , not a really good CGM but thanks to all presentation, french doctors are still not familiar with DIY looping.![]()
Yes, of course. Need to be built by an ISO 13485-certified facility. Design needs to demonstrate safety via IEC 60601 etc. (I’ve developed roughly a dozen fda-cleared devices)![]()
@c4481080 that's great. I know several countries are starting more pushes in that direction, but looking forward to the day where anyone who wants CGM can access it. but that's definitely a start.![]()
@F5OEO hello and thanks for your work in the community!![]()
@Alan Cohen so if you meet those requirements, would that allow FDA approval?![]()
BTW everyone, I will be posting a transcript for this chat right afterward. In case you miss any links, etc.![]()
Thanks @Dan Maloney![]()
@Dan Maloney Thanks, maybe also add is to the hackaday.com blog post as well![]()
For anyone joining the chat who doesn't have diabetes, here's some background on what an APS (artificial pancreas system, or closed loop system) can do for those of us living with diabetes: https://www.artificialpancreasbook.com/1.-whats-a-closed-loop-or-artificial-pancreas-system-and-why-would-someone-use-one![]()
@Scott Leibrand That, plus submit other data and documentation that FDA wants. Performance testing, probably usability testing, requirements-specs-architecture... testing reports etc.![]()
Is there a good site that maps all the loop possbilities ?![]()
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or cool, the gif loads too![]()
How accurate are CGMs compared to regular test strips? My girlfriend works at a rehab clinic and she has seen them be way off.![]()
I've seen the rebattery, but I think OS trasmitter would open up possibilities for better data accessibility. I'm also out of pocket for my insurance and transmitter just died. I will probably end up just going to the G6.![]()
Anyone have links to efforts to swap out batteries on a g6? I saw one with lots of grinding and not much success as far as i could tell. Or rewiring to interrupt the circuit?![]()
@leb9049 it's a little bit of apple and oranges - test strips are more likely to have issues due to lack of skin cleanliness, etc and are like a polaroid snapshot. CGM is like a moving picture of the BG. They can both be inaccurate, but with CGM the trend provides additional context, too![]()
@leb9049 I think it depends on many factors, We had bad start with the first gen CGM of medtronic, but their new stuff works ok for us![]()
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Hi everyone! I just want to thank @Dana Lewis, you're such and inspiration for me. I'm currently (trying) developing a non-invasive glucose sensor for my Master disertation.![]()
@leb9049 some CGM require calibration, and some of the new generations are factory calibrated![]()
@Irene C. S. welcome! and cool!![]()
@Irene C. S. cool in which part of the body ?![]()
@c4481080 https://www.diabettech.com/looping-a-guide/ has a good overview of the different closed loop options![]()
@leb9049 this is a piece Chris Hannemann did a few years ago on meter accuracy: https://medium.com/@chrishannemann/a-craftsman-blames-his-tools-blood-glucose-meter-accuracy-long-term-diabetes-control-9caac073dae9![]()
@Jeff Cacossa most of the people who are doing it have a facebook presence, if you do some searching there![]()
Hi all. A little late as I was updating my Loop to dev branch :)![]()
@Andrea Limbourg good reason :)![]()
Hi @Dana Lewis and @Scott Leibrand . Nice to "see you". Thank you for doing this chat and all of your continued work for the community. I realize this is a bit of a broad question how can PWD associations/non-profits and individual patient advocates get more involved? (understanding that many are already).![]()
@Andrea Limbourg I just did the same the other day. It's AWESOME.![]()
I hate using facebook as a research platform :)![]()
It probably depends on their focus. Are you thinking of a PWD / non-profit that's focused on policy advocacy? Tech? General community support?![]()
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One last question, because no discussion is complete without mentioning machine learning anymore: anyone working on AI closed loop systems? Using Tensor flow to analyze CGM patterns, etc?
