So @EricH gave me an interesting idea. He asked if using an intermediate step with another set of capacitors could help with the energy transfer problem. If you could find large-valued capacitors with low self-discharge, you could take a long time to charge those with a coin cell, then charge the supercapacitor quickly from the intermediate caps. It sounds like it could work, but I don't think the right capacitor exists for this intermediate step.
What about using a rechargeable battery as the intermediate energy storage? This gets interesting. Everyone seems willing to allow an electrochemical capacitor as intermediate storage, so why not a rechargeable battery? (I'll refer to the coin cell as a "cell" and the rechargeable battery as a "battery" in the discussion below).
Let's forget about any technical problems for a minute and consider the contest judges and spectators. You have to convince them somehow that you're not running anything from energy pre-stored in the battery. Since state-of-charge is very difficult to measure accurately, I'm not even sure I wouldn't be cheating with most battery chemistries. The exception is NiCd, which can and should be stored with the terminals shorted and at a zero state of charge. It's how NASA stores their NiCd cells, as detailed in this technical report on NiCds. So, if I take a couple of AA NiCd's that have had their terminals shorted for a few days, then verify there is 0V across them, I think I can make a convincing argument that there's no energy hidden up my sleeve.
OK, so there's a way to verify that all the energy is coming from the coin cell. What are the properties of a NiCd battery?
- Nominal voltage 1.2V with a flat discharge curve.
- Can sustain very high rates of discharge (think of a cheap cordless drill).
- Self discharge rates quoted as 10% per month (wikipedia) or 1% per day (NASA TR).
- Tolerant of varied charging methods (C-rate and end-of-charge detection)
Overall, they sound like a good intermediate reservoir for energy storage. They have a much lower self-discharge rate than supercapacitors, so can be charged slowly from a coin cell without terrible losses (a DC-DC converter is still required). Then, once charged, they can be drained very quickly to charge the supercapacitor before supercap self-discharge becomes an issue.
What are the drawbacks? First, the energy will be going through two DC-DC converters, so losses get compounded there. Also, there's the charging efficiency of the NiCd's. Wikipedia mentions that at a C/10 charge rate, you have to apply around 1.5C of charge to fully charge a NiCd (equivalent to a 33% loss of energy). The NASA TR, however, shows that this ratio is a strong function of temperature (P. 13). With battery temperature near 0C, the ratio approaches 1, so much less energy is lost in charging.
So, can I take a 1.7Ah LiSOCl2 cell, charge some 1000mAh AA NiCd's, then use the NiCd's to charge a 67F capacitor to 14V? Here's how everything stacks up:
Storage | Capacity (mAh) | Energy (J) |
CR2477 | 1000 | 9000 |
TL-5935/P | 1700 | 20000 |
2x NiCd AA | 1000 | 8600 |
3x NiCd AA | 1000 | 12960 |
4x NiCd AA | 1000 | 17280 |
67F capacitor @14V | - | 6566 |
From the TL-5935/P datasheet, it looks like I can get the full 1.7Ah from the cell at 10mA, which is the maximum recommended continuous drain. I also estimate that the cell voltage will remain stable at around 3V for the entire discharge. Discharging at this rate will take 7.08 days. Assuming the 1% per day self-discharge rate for NiCd's, I might lose 600J during this week. Assuming a 33% loss due to NiCd charging inefficiency (which might be improved by cooling), and a 70% DC-DC converter efficiency, I end up with 8961 J in the NiCds, which almost fits in 2 AA's. I'll call it 8600 which just fits.
In order to charge the capacitor to 14V with the 8600J in the NiCd battery, I need a DC-DC converter with around 76% efficiency. Since the NiCd's can tolerate high current drain, I can use an efficient off-the-shelf converter, so that might not be too difficult to achieve.
It ain't pretty, and there's not much slack to play with, but it looks possible to start a car with a coin cell again.
EDIT: I found that charging efficiency for NiCd cells is nearly 100% until they reach 70% capacity. So, I can gain a lot of efficiency by using more NiCd cells and charging them to less than 70% capacity. Nice.
Also of interest is the PowerSonic NiCd Catalog. I need to pour over those graphs.
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Can't you just start the car with Ni-Cd battery once charged? They would probably cry a little, but that's what we want to see here.
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I thought about this. I think you'd need 12 NiCd cells in series to have enough voltage (14.4 nominal). To charge that many cells, they'd have to be very small, much less than an AA - I think I can only charge 4x AA NiCds at most (I think).
Lets say you can get 100C current from a NiCd. To get 100-200A to crank the starter, the cells then need 1-2Ah capacity, which is 1-2x a high-capacity AA.
So you can't charge enough NiCds of the size required to provide the instantaneous power.
To start the car with minimum energy, you want something with a high power/energy density ratio. Supercaps even beat NiCds in this respect.
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Now, could I charge many small NiCd's in parallel, then connect them in series to directly charge the supercapacitor? That might be a way to go.
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Perhaps you may want to build another DC/DC converter to make the charging controllable and most effective, transferring as much juice to supecaps as possible.
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@jaromir.sukuba Yep, I think I need another converter. I might try to hack one of those cheap, lousy generic "boost converters" you see everywhere. I have a pile of various ones in a drawer.
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